Hi,
The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
iranian f-14 pilot.
He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
marvelous,

On Jun 11, 10:05 am, Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot >
wrote:
> Hi,
> The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
> iranian f-14 pilot.
> He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
> marvelous,


Not to denegrate his skills, but it helps to be in a target-rich
environment. Were these AAM or Gun kills? What kind of targets did he
shoot down? Migs, Helos, Mirage F.1s?

p.s. I wn't let my feelings about an individual's government get in
the way of my respect for a good pilot. I respect Eric Hartmann, too.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:15:02 -0700, Don McIntyre >
wrote:

>On Jun 11, 10:05 am, Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot >
>wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
>> iranian f-14 pilot.
>> He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
>> marvelous,
>
>
>Not to denegrate his skills, but it helps to be in a target-rich
>environment. Were these AAM or Gun kills? What kind of targets did he
>shoot down? Migs, Helos, Mirage F.1s?
>
>p.s. I wn't let my feelings about an individual's government get in
>the way of my respect for a good pilot. I respect Eric Hartmann, too.

The old cliche goes: "If you don't know who the world's greatest
fighter pilot is, it isn't you!"

Nothing wrong with being proud of your AF, proud of your nation, and
proud of aeronautical achievements. But, claims of being the "best
F-XX pilot worldwide" based on kills against what has proven to be a
decidely over-rated and demonstrably second rate fighting force are a
classic example of "chutzpah"--which brings to mind what might be a
significantly more challenging set of adversaries.....


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

On 2007-06-11 11:05:06 -0400, Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot
> said:

> Hi,
> The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
> iranian f-14 pilot.
> He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
> marvelous,

This is one of those infamous questions that defies a definitive
answer, as the answer will change from minute to minute on any given
day.
Putting an Iranian flown Turkey in killing proximity to a slew of Iraqi
pilots might not be the ultimate criteria for defining the world's
greatest fighter pilot.
Getting the answer to a question like this one is virtually impossible
unless the exact criteria for definition has been set; and even then,
another pilot given another criteria might easily meet in the air and
defeat on any given day the winner of the first criteria :-)
No, I'm afraid one simply can't just stand up and make a blanket
statement that one pilot is the best of the best. Many in fact who were
considered at one time the best of the best, suddenly ended up dead;
killed by one of those not considered the best of the best when the
poll was taken first time around.
I had a sign hanging over my desk for many years that sort of addresses
this issue. Granted I was dealing not with the combat situation, but
teaching a flying scenario to other pilots that is one of the most
dangerous in aviation.
The sign read as follows;
"Jim was the finest stick I've ever known in my life. He was one
horrific flying son-of-a bitch. He could do things with an airplane you
wouldn't believe.
In all his entire career, Jim only made one mistake with an airplane
that I can remember.
Jim's dead!"

Lesson learned here is that you can easily be the best of the best one
second,but not necessarily the next. :-)

Dudley Henriques

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:05:06 -0700, Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot
> wrote:

>Hi,
>The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
>iranian f-14 pilot.
>He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
>marvelous,


Tom Cruise!!!

Seriously, although the results of the Iranian pilot are not disputed
but could be?

I don't see how you could compare a pilot with perhaps hundreds of
hours at best from Iran with any US Tomcat pilot with thousands of
hours,,,,,no comparison.

In article om>,
Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot > wrote:

> Hi,
> The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
> iranian f-14 pilot.
> He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
> marvelous,
>

There are victories scored on the Eastern Front, and then there are
victories scored on the Western Front...

Wasn't the ratio about 3:1?

On Jun 12, 5:25 pm, Dan Nafe > wrote:
> In article om>,
> Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
> > iranian f-14 pilot.
> > He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
> > marvelous,
>
> There are victories scored on the Eastern Front, and then there are
> victories scored on the Western Front...
>
> Wasn't the ratio about 3:1?

not sure who the greatest turkey pilot was.
i, however, am the world's greatest hornet pilot

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:19:43 -0700, wrote:

>On Jun 12, 5:25 pm, Dan Nafe > wrote:
>> In article om>,
>> Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot > wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
>> > iranian f-14 pilot.
>> > He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
>> > marvelous,
>>
>> There are victories scored on the Eastern Front, and then there are
>> victories scored on the Western Front...
>>
>> Wasn't the ratio about 3:1?
>
>not sure who the greatest turkey pilot was.
>i, however, am the world's greatest hornet pilot

Which is a great achievement, but relatively meaningless unless going
to war against a Hornet-equipped adversary. ;-))
Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

On Jun 11, 1:15 pm, Don McIntyre > wrote:
> On Jun 11, 10:05 am, Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
> > iranian f-14 pilot.
> > He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
> > marvelous,
>
> Not to denegrate his skills, but it helps to be in a target-rich
> environment. Were these AAM or Gun kills? What kind of targets did he
> shoot down? Migs, Helos, Mirage F.1s?



LOL!!!

Who the **** cares? They were ACTUAL shoot-downs.

Unlike Americans whose WW II "kills" included trucks, tanks, etc.



>
> p.s. I wn't let my feelings about an individual's government get in
> the way of my respect for a good pilot. I respect Eric Hartmann, too.

Don McIntyre wrote:
> On Jun 11, 10:05 am, Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot >
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
>> iranian f-14 pilot.
>> He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
>> marvelous,
>
>
> Not to denegrate his skills, but it helps to be in a target-rich
> environment. Were these AAM or Gun kills? What kind of targets did he
> shoot down? Migs, Helos, Mirage F.1s?

I nominate Snort Snodgress?

vince norris

Amir may be a self proclaimed "best" pilot but in flight training he was
consistently afraid of taking the jet into the vertical, so he may be
the luckiest pilot to have been able to run down enough fleeing Iraqi
attack jets or was a flight leader who in the manner of most corrupt
regimes took credit for all the kills obtained by the unit he was
provided with because his lips were bigger then all the other folks.
Give me a real break, the Iranian Air Force flies - and that is the best
it will do - not bad on most standards but it is full of Russian
thinking combined with their own screwed up sense of revolutionary
values. The best pilots were purged out of the IrAF way back and the
best technicians were en-slaved by the guards. The one maneuver you can
bet on is that they may try to ram you, if your back is turned. We are
talking about real sleaze bags here, not the kind that jump on this blog
of course, but real sleaze bags, and when they walk, a shadow always
stays on their faces ----- oh, wrong set.



"Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot" > wrote in message
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> Hi,
> The best f-14 pilot in all over the world is the Jalal Zandi, the
> iranian f-14 pilot.
> He gained 12 confirmed air to air kills in war with iraq that is
> marvelous,
>